Can we have a chat thread for the following. Thanks. s Hertogenbosch [Netherlands] Eastbourne [Sussex, UK].
Can we have a chat thread for the following. Thanks. s Hertogenbosch [Netherlands] Eastbourne [Sussex, UK].
What decision from Nadal and his camp will MOST certainly ensure Nadal's injury relapse this season?
First correct answer = Wall Of Fame listing.
Correct answer / Winner: Friday, June 21.
Wimbledon 2013 seeds 1-5 remain as per their ATP ranking. Others are seeded up or down based on the Wimbledon grass court formula.
DJOKOVIC, Novak (SRB) 
MURRAY, Andy (GBR) 
FEDERER, Roger (SUI) 
FERRER, David (ESP) 
NADAL, Rafael (ESP) 
TSONGA, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) 
BERDYCH, Tomas (CZE) 
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin (ARG) 
GASQUET, Richard (FRA) 
CILIC, Marin (CRO) 
WAWRINKA, Stanislas (SUI) 
NISHIKORI, Kei (JPN) 
HAAS, Tommy (GER) 
TIPSAREVIC, Janko (SRB) 
ALMAGRO, Nicolas (ESP) 
KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp (GER) 
RAONIC, Milos (CAN) 
ISNER, John (USA) 
SIMON, Gilles (FRA) 
YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS) 
QUERREY, Sam (USA) 
MONACO, Juan (ARG) 
SEPPI, Andreas (ITA) 
JANOWICZ, Jerzy (POL) 
PAIRE, Benoit (FRA) 
DOLGOPOLOV, Alexandr (UKR) 
ANDERSON, Kevin (RSA) 
CHARDY, Jeremy (FRA) 
DIMITROV, Grigor (BUL) 
FOGNINI, Fabio (ITA) 
BENNETEAU, Julien (FRA) 
ROBREDO, Tommy (ESP) 
You got more? No, you don't!!!!!
|United States||John McEnroe||5||1980–84||3||2|
|United States||Pete Sampras||4||1997–2000||4||0|
|United States||Pete Sampras||3||1993–95||3||0|
|United States||Stan Smith||2||1971–72||1||1|
|United States||Jimmy Connors||2||1974–75||1||1|
|United States||Jimmy Connors||2||1977–78||0||2|
|United States||Andy Roddick||2||2004–05||0||2|
|United States||Martina Navratilova||9||1982–90||7||2|
|United States||Chris Evert||5||1978–82||1||4|
|United States||Venus Williams||4||2000–03||2||2|
|United States||Billie Jean King||3||1968–70||1||2|
|United States||Serena Williams||3||2002–04||2||1|
|United States||Venus Williams||3||2007–09||2||1|
|United States||Serena Williams||3||2008–10||2||1|
|Australia||Evonne Goolagong Cawley||2||1971–72||1||1|
|United States||Billie Jean King||2||1972–73||2||0|
|United States||Chris Evert||2||1973–74||1||1|
|Australia||Evonne Goolagong Cawley||2||1975–76||0||2|
|United States||Martina Navratilova||2||1978–79||2||0|
|United States||Chris Evert||2||1984–85||0||2|
|Spain||Arantxa Sánchez Vicario||2||1995–96||0||2|
|Czech Republic||Jana Novotná||2||1997–98||1||1|
|United States||Lindsay Davenport||2||1999–2000||1||1|
ESPN pundits John McEnroe and Chris Evert gave their thoughts on who they think will be holding the trophies at the end of the Wimbledon fortnight. Wimbledon.com joined in to hear their views...
In the days leading up to a major, the talk in the tennis world is always around who is favoured to take home the trophy at the close of the fortnight. In the case of The Championships 2013, Serena Williams is the leading candidate among the women. The 31-year-old Williams is the world No.1, the top seed and the defending champion who is fresh off a title at Roland Garros and riding a 31-match winning streak that dates back to March.
But on the men's side, it's not as easy for the 127th Championships. Top seed Novak Djokovic won the year's opening major in Australia, but Rafael Nadal stormed back from injury to capture his record eighth title in Paris earlier this month. Roger Federer, a seven-times winner at Wimbledon, is the defending champion here. But it's actually Andy Murray who was technically the last to hoist a winner's trophy on the grounds of the All England Club - be it during the 2012 Olympic Games, where he drubbed Federer in the final.
So, who is the favourite tipped to win the men's title? For former greats John McEnroe and Chris Evert, who between them captured 12 Wimbledon crowns, the answer is synonymous: Djokovic is their man.
"I think it is a tougher call to see who the favourite would be," McEnroe said in a conference call with reporters on Tuesday. "I would pick Djokovic first and Murray second."
But Murray sat out Roland Garros with an injury, and returned last week at Queen's with his third win there. A year ago the world No.3 was a finalist at Wimbledon, losing to Federer in a four-set contest.
"I think Murray will be hungrier not playing the French, maybe a little fresher," McEnroe continued. "Then Roger, because he still has such a great game for grass. It's tough to win it back-to-back at his age. Rafa having come back so great... maybe I'm wrong, because I thought he would be a little tired. That would be the order if I had to pick 1 to 4."
They are not seeded that way, however, as Roland Garros finalist David Ferrer is the fourth seed, Nadal the fifth.
For Evert, however, a loss at Roland Garros only means motivation for Djokovic, winner of six major titles.
"Djokovic comes to mind only because I think the disappointment at the French Open," Evert said.
And for Federer? Evert mused that this is the title Federer is gunning for; it would be his record eighth win at The Championships.
"I have a sneaking suspicion that Federer has put all his eggs in one basket and he's gunning for Wimbledon," Evert added. "It's the only Grand Slam that he really has a legitimate chance at. I don't mean that against him, it's just that the competition is so good."
But while McEnroe and Evert have put their egg in the basket of Djokovic, it's still a toss-up, they say.
"It's just totally up in the air," Evert said. "That's the wonderful thing about it. That's the wonderful thing about having the top four men playing so closely and evenly. It's a hard question, and I don't know if John agrees with it, coming into a tournament, as an analyst, you like to see the first few rounds and see how they're playing. Especially after the first week, you kind of have a better view."
McEnroe concluded: "Nadal is seeded No.5, and [if] he plays Djokovic in the quarters, that's going to impact more than just those two people."
Roger could very possibly go to #5 after Wimbledon -- he hasn't been that low for 10 years.
Even if Nadal and Ferrer lose in the first round, Federer has to reach the final to stay ahead of them.
And even if Federer wins the tournament, if either of them reaches the final, he falls behind them.
|Player||Open Era||Amateur Era||All-time||Years|
|William Renshaw (BRI)||0||7||7||1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886,1889|
|Pete Sampras (USA)||7||0||7||1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999,2000|
|Roger Federer (SUI)+||7||0||7||2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009,2012|
|Björn Borg (SWE)||5||0||5||1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980|
|Lawrence Doherty (BRI)||0||5||5||1902, 1903, 1904, 1905, 1906|
|Reginald Doherty (BRI)||0||4||4||1897, 1898, 1899, 1900|
|Rod Laver (AUS)||2||2||4||1961, 1962, 1968, 1969|
|Anthony Wilding (NZL)||0||4||4||1910, 1911, 1912, 1913|
|Wilfred Baddeley (BRI)||0||3||3||1891, 1892, 1895|
|Boris Becker (GER)||3||0||3||1985, 1986, 1989|
|Arthur Gore (BRI)||0||3||3||1901, 1908, 1909|
|John McEnroe (USA)||3||0||3||1981, 1983, 1984|
|John Newcombe (AUS)||2||1||3||1967, 1970, 1971|
|Fred Perry (GBR)||0||3||3||1934, 1935, 1936|
|Bill Tilden (USA)||0||3||3||1920, 1921, 1930|
|Jean Borotra (FRA)||0||2||2||1924, 1926|
|Norman Brookes (AUS)||0||2||2||1907, 1914|
|Don Budge (USA)||0||2||2||1937, 1938|
|Henri Cochet (FRA)||0||2||2||1927, 1929|
|Jimmy Connors (USA)||2||0||2||1974, 1982|
|Stefan Edberg (SWE)||2||0||2||1988, 1990|
|Roy Emerson (AUS)||0||2||2||1964, 1965|
|John Hartley (BRI)||0||2||2||1879, 1880|
|Lew Hoad (AUS)||0||2||2||1956, 1957|
|René Lacoste (FRA)||0||2||2||1925, 1928|
|Rafael Nadal (ESP) +||2||0||2||2008, 2010|
|Gerald Patterson (AUS)||0||2||2||1919, 1922|
|Joshua Pim (BRI)||0||2||2||1893, 1894|
|Country||Amateur Era||Open Era||All-time||First title||Last title|
|United Kingdom (UK)||35||0||35||1877||1936|
|United States (USA)||18||15||33||1920||2000|
|New Zealand (NZL)||4||0||4||1910||1913|
|Seed||Rank||Player||Points today||Points defending|
|8||8||Juan Martín del Potro||3,960||180|
Not a REALLY great player?
You see, if you are REALLY good at your craft, the shift in medium it's expressed in, logically should make NO difference in the quality of the finished product. If it does, you are a one-dimensional contraption - indisputably.
And here's the fact that makes it beyond freaking obvious: The shift applies to everyone thereby stalling ANY disturbance in the banana cart - terminally.
Borg, Federer and Nadal have passed that test with a sizeable margin with varying degrees of success. Borg reached FOUR US Open finals, competed @ the AO just once (3rd round), won Wimbledon five times, Roland Garros six.
Federer four, one, seven and five. Nadal one, eight, two and one.
ANY wiggle room to justify Sampras' pathetic record is erased by the number of finals AND semifinals above three clowns have reached - at each Slam - APART from winning all four titles.
For rock people, Sampras not only NOT win Roland Garros, he never reached a final EVER.
Fact that Federer's life AND tennis has been an aberration of epic proportions eliminates him from the discussion COMPLETELY, don't you think? I mean, what's the likelihood of your son passing through life AND tennis with ZERO obstacles?
Wouldn't you rather have someone who has had a more typical time that's sprinkled with success and adversity? Heck, more adversity the better.
Federer's silver spoon is so far up his 'alley' that it renders him useless with respect to imparting any wisdom with any credibility. Heck, even his tennis strokes are a disaster - with a live genie pig called Dimitrov proving the utter worthlessness of it all - beyond all doubt.
Nadal, on the other hand, appears more real, legitimate, authentic AND possible.
Your first thought on above is 'How about another Roland Garros', right? Wrong.
For starters, Nadal achieved a few unceremonious firsts at his latest win @ the FO. This was the 'first' time Nadal was extended to a five setter (He had a five setter against Isner in the opening round in 2011 but that doesn't count when placed next to the one against Djokovic - in the semis. Finals???). First time he lost a set in each of his first two matches.
Place that aside reaching the finals without losing a set four times and winning the entire freaking tournament without dropping a set twice - at one of them with a bagel in the finals @ deciding set - to Federer - five years ago when Federer was in his prime.
Add to it the fact that Djokovic had his worst showing on clay since his 'arrival' in 2011. What's the likelihood of that happening again specially when BOTH his coach and Grandfather have already passed on and nobody that close is next on that list - at least for now?
Not enough? Even though Nadal was returning from a 7-month break, given the conditions, this was Nadal's best lead (8 tournaments, 8 finals, 6 titles) into Roland Garros specially when Djokovic is inserted into the mix.
And then there's the existing injury compounded by advancing age. Nadal is now 27 going on at least 30.
You think all of above an year from now, forget beyond, would make the journey @ Roland Garros easier than it was this time? Most likely not specially if the rest of the 2013 season is not dealt with EXTREME care.
The ONLY possibility, which appears SLIM, is IF Nadal is able to reverse his slide against Djokovic - FOR GOOD - at the remaining tournaments between now and the next FO. That would then allow Nadal to win @ the FO purely by default as Federer, Ferrer and other would-be contenders on the surface would be past even their senior years.
Short of that happening you have to agree that with Djokovic healthy Nadal's chances will in the very least drop from what they have been in the past if this latest showing with all it's tangible and intangibles in tow is inserted into the calculator.
And if that's settled even to a lesser degree that it's been pushed above, do you even have to venture into discussing accessing fruits hanging far higher in reach? I mean, can Nadal even reach the finals at Wimbledon, US Open and the AO AND beat Djokovic there?
Nadal's days of winning at ANY other surface may be OVER - for good. And if clay is tethering on the edge, it could all end @ 12.
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Ivan Lendl, Andy Murray, Tim Henman and Tomas Berdych shake hands during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Tim Henman hides behind Michael McIntyre as Jimmy Carr runs over to him during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: London Mayor Boris Johnson hi-fives Andy Murray during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Sir Richard Branson in action during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Sir Richard Branson attempts to bribe the umpire during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Ross Hutchins laughs as he sits at the court during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Andy Murray celebrates hitting coach Ivan Lendl with the tennis ball during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Julian Finney/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Andy Murray and Tim Henman share a joke during the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Julian Finney/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Tennis shoes wore by Ivan Lendl ahead of the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Julian Finney/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Marin Cilic of Croatia lifts the runners-up trophy after defeat in the Men's Singles final against Andy Murray of Great Britain on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Clive Brunskill/Getty Images)
Bob Bryan, left, and Mike Bryan of U.S. hold up the trophy after their win against Alexander Peya of Austria and Bruno Soares of Brazil at the end of their Queen's Club grass court championships double final tennis match in London, Sunday, June 16, 2013. (AP Photo/Sang Tan)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: London Mayor Boris Johnson speaks to Sue Barker ahead of the Rally Against Cancer charity match on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Julian Finney/Getty Images)
LONDON, ENGLAND - JUNE 16: Andy Murray of Great Britain lifts the trophy after victory in the Men's Singles final against Marin Cilic of Croatia on day seven of the AEGON Championships at Queens Club on June 16, 2013 in London, England. (Photo by Julian Finney/Getty Images)
Switzerland's Roger Federer holds the trophy after winning the final tennis match against Mikhail Youzhny of Russia at the Gerry Weber Open tennis tournament in Halle Westphalia, Germany, Sunday, June 16, 2013. Roger Federer won his first title of the year, overcoming a sluggish start to beat unseeded Mikhail Youzhny 6-7 (5), 6-3, 6-4 at the Gerry Weber Open on Sunday. Returning to grass in his favorite warm-up for Wimbledon, the top-seeded Federer looked lethargic until the middle of the second set, when he started hitting shots with confidence. Federer won his first title since Cincinnati in August and his sixth in Halle, the first since 2008. (AP Photo/Martin Meissner)
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